To avoid a blatant level, I'm showing you what not to put in the level,
1: Areas causing players to go off bounds
2: Copying (which I did)
3: Skippable Rooms
4: Floating Spikes
5: Polar Dimension, but the map does not show "NO SIGNAL"
6: Impossible Rooms
7: Intersection with disappearing platforms
8: Copied scripts
9: Improper design
Can I also post some?
10: Single Tiled Walls (I know that ShinyWolf really hates these)
11: Misaligned Rooms
12: Repeating Scripts
13: Scripts that crash the game
14: Internal Scripting with cutscene bars or terminal squeaks when it's not supposed to have it
15: Scripts that behave strangely
16: Roomnames without Capitalization (spikes everywhere, attack of the enemies, etc.)
17: Mispelling words (spikkes evrywhere, atack of the enmies, etc.)
18: Mispelling names (Vermillion, Verdiegris, Veridian, etc.)
19: Making a vertical two-block-wide passageway lined with spikes
20: EXTREME SWEARING
21. Nearly impossible rooms.
Yeah, i know the OP featured Impossible Rooms, but you can't just make a super hard room. Except everyone makes super hard rooms.
22. Extreme backtracking
23. Doing Things The Hard Way clones.
Quote from: Lollipop on August 23, 2015, 09:56:13 PM
22. Extreme backtracking
22a. But backtracking in small amounts is OK.
There are two big ways to do backtracking well.
The first is if backtracking through a level is effectively a totally different challenge due to the layout Super Meat Boy does this a lot.
The other way is Metroidvania-style "Look what I can do NOW" type of thing. This isn't as effective in VVVVVV, however, because the only real method of doing this is with keycards.
24. Filler.
A lot of people feel the need to fill up the entire map basically so they can say they did. This can easily end up bogging the level down. Even the official game is guilty of this to some extent, with those big overworld caves.
25. the gravitron
26. Intermissions that slack off. I felt that the intermissions in VVVVVV Super Adventure weren't that good, to be honest...
Oh well, my later intermissions were quite good..
27. Floating checkpoints. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned this yet. However, there is a little-known exploit, involving editing the level with a text editor, which produces a weird box-shaped checkpoint that spawns :viridian: in a direction determined by the previous normal checkpoint the player touched. Use with caution, as saving and re-loading at such a checkpoint crashes the game.
Quote from: Weird Shadow Machine on August 28, 2015, 06:01:11 AM
27. Floating checkpoints. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned this yet. However, there is a little-known exploit, involving editing the level with a text editor, which produces a weird box-shaped checkpoint that spawns :viridian: in a direction determined by the previous normal checkpoint the player touched. Use with caution, as saving and re-loading at such a checkpoint crashes the game.
Seen in "Viridian Killed The Radio Star"
Quote from: VVVVVVFan102314 on September 17, 2015, 08:18:04 AM
Quote from: Weird Shadow Machine on August 28, 2015, 06:01:11 AM
27. Floating checkpoints. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned this yet. However, there is a little-known exploit, involving editing the level with a text editor, which produces a weird box-shaped checkpoint that spawns :viridian: in a direction determined by the previous normal checkpoint the player touched. Use with caution, as saving and re-loading at such a checkpoint crashes the game.
Seen in "Viridian Killed The Radio Star"
These originally appeared in Dimension SIMPLE, but I decided to remove them in a patch because of the reload crashing thing.
internal scripting where while the script activates a text box showed up (you remember when you first tried internal scripting right?)
29. fanfic material
(see the end of kreator's maze or actually don't because i am ashamed of that level)
30. Checkpoints in the path of enemies. This, obviously, results in a large number of deaths if an enemy happens to be there when :viridian: respawns.
I'm so great you're back :)
31: Checkpoints placed on top of spikes
good idea guys i hate when checkpoints are placed where its impossible for :viridian: to stop dying
Random internal scripts (this is okay in a test level)
Number 33: using internal commands that are red in the Internal Commands topic
34: Crewmate spamming
35: More than 5 trinkets in 1 room
36: Filler (as crazya02 said) but with trinkets.
37: A level with EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE 36 THINGS! :violet:
38. Don't adversite in your level.
39. Don't make empty rooms with Nothing (even warping). Add a place with text like this:
This is actually the end.
Stay tuned for the next
update!
(here insert nickname)
40. Don't spam with commands.
41. Don't make boring levels.
42. Don't put instant spike traps where :viridian: (or any other character that's being controlled via internal scripting) dies as soon as he enters a room (unless it is made clear that there are spikes).
Quote from: Vultarix on November 14, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
Filler
'CUZ ITS THE FILLER! FILLER NIGHT!
AND NO ONES GONNA SAVE YOU 'CUZ OF SPIKES
YEAH ITS THE FILLER! FILLER NIGHT
Then whatever the rest of thriller is with thriller replaced with filler
43: Copys of other people's levels
44: Rooms that are repeated OVER AND OVER AND OVER
44. Gravitron mode with solid walls in the paths of enemies (you can fix this with direct mode spikes - enemies go through spikes!)
45 - making a level in the style of lol...ipops
GO BACK ON TOPIC!
46 - making an impossible room with no warp line on the direction you just went there
47. The 'custom length' warp lines you can make by editing a text file.
48. Box checkpoints.
49. Weird entity/ies
50. Bad music at wrong time. (Ex: Popular Potpourri in a Polar Dimension)
Quote from: Vultarix on December 06, 2015, 05:45:52 PM
48. Box checkpoints.
I actually disagree with this one. I know where you're coming from: starting at one of these in the editor crashes the game, as does loading a saved game at one. But in practice, the chances of someone actually saving at one of these are quite low, especially if used in an area full of gravity lines and/or crumbling platforms.
Related:
51. Checkpoints on crumbling platforms. You may have noticed that after respawning at one of these a few times, the platforms look like conveyors. What's less well known is that if this process continues, it ultimately crashes the game.
52. Checkpoints on the crumbling single blocks available via Direct Mode. I've never seen this done, and for good reason. Unlike the regular crumbling platforms, these don't come back when :viridian: respawns.
I'm not saying box checkpoints are bad, but HAVING ALL THE CHECKPOINTS IN A LEVEL IS
53. Making a level archive of levels in the style of lol...ipops
ew
Quote from: ShinyWolf07 on December 06, 2015, 09:23:18 PM
ew
Quote from: ShinyWolf07 on November 27, 2015, 08:54:58 PM
Quote from: @Kreator on November 27, 2015, 08:31:56 PM
Quote from: That Souleye Crewmate on November 27, 2015, 07:53:25 PM
Quote from: Luigi master on November 27, 2015, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: VVVVVVCrewmate7 on November 26, 2015, 06:59:10 AM
45 - making a level in the style of lol...ipops
ew
double ew
triple ew
quadruple ew
ok, ok I'll stop the chain.
:D
54. de avenducfrss OFUC K unif vhysta n amiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikiujcik :'( :'( :'( :'(
This will contain everything previously mentioned, once I finish making it.
55. Spam of crewmates
56. Spam of trinkets
57. Spam of internal scripts that really do not need to be there
69. spam
i think i will make a level involving all those to explain WHY you shouldn't make them, like the videos of "What not to make in Super Mario World editors"
Quote from: SJMistery on December 18, 2015, 08:38:21 AM
i think i will make a level involving all those to explain WHY you shouldn't make them, like the videos of "What not to make in Super Mario World editors"
What not to make in Super Mario World (Lunar Magic)
1. Cut off
2. Floating munchers
3. Broken ASM
4. Unbeatable levels
Like those videos?
Quote from: Qbe-P on December 19, 2015, 09:15:16 AM
70. Single-tile walls.
Referring to Bearboy's Zones (yah, I know it's an old level, but...), Viridian is continually walking on single-tile walls, which is pretty disturbing for me.
71. Warp-to-warp steps.
One warp is enough. Please do not set a warp destination to another warp token, that will lead you somewhere. VVVVVV is minimalist. Try to make things simpler.
72. (Luigimaster quoting) Checkpoints spam.
The Warning is ok. To the edge. I don't want to hear anymore that annoying noise coming from multiple checkpoint saving.
73. Random levels.
-_- ToastrApucalyps k wat I mean m8s (even that was a joke) (if anyone doesn't know, the level is "Fart Poo"... better raging at the Rainbow Factory)
74. Badly made scripts.
If you don't know how to make scripts, DON'T MAKE 'EM.
75. Weird talking boxes.
VC7. Random commas, unfinished phrases...
76. In-wall bugs.
Please make sure that nothing is locked inside a wall. By glitching.
dude
Luigi Master ended on 58, he just felt the need to make a shitty 69 joke
So now we need to fill in
58 - 68
77 - 999999999999999
And be Kreator and make shitty 69 jokes
77? - Levels 1x1
78? - Levels with trolling content only
79? - Levels 1x1 with trolling content
Quote from: That Souleye Crewmate on December 19, 2015, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: Qbe-P on December 19, 2015, 09:15:16 AM
70. Single-tile walls.
Referring to Bearboy's Zones (yah, I know it's an old level, but...), Viridian is continually walking on single-tile walls, which is pretty disturbing for me.
71. Warp-to-warp steps.
One warp is enough. Please do not set a warp destination to another warp token, that will lead you somewhere. VVVVVV is minimalist. Try to make things simpler.
72. (Luigimaster quoting) Checkpoints spam.
The Warning is ok. To the edge. I don't want to hear anymore that annoying noise coming from multiple checkpoint saving.
73. Random levels.
-_- ToastrApucalyps k wat I mean m8s (even that was a joke) (if anyone doesn't know, the level is "Fart Poo"... better raging at the Rainbow Factory)
74. Badly made scripts.
If you don't know how to make scripts, DON'T MAKE 'EM.
75. Weird talking boxes.
VC7. Random commas, unfinished phrases...
76. In-wall bugs.
Please make sure that nothing is locked inside a wall. By glitching.
dude
Luigi Master ended on 58, he just felt the need to make a shitty 69 joke
Not to mention that #70 in this post had already been covered, as #10.
Quote from: Luigi master on December 19, 2015, 01:21:39 PM
And be Kreator and make shitty 69 jokes
it would be really great if you would just shut up please
thank you
Actually, I wish you would go back to 69 jokes.
The n***** jokes aren't funny and never will be. Same for the 69 jokes, but those are less offensive.
58. Crewmates in spikes
59 (or is it 80?): Psychopathic Nonsense
Quote from: Lollipop on December 19, 2015, 11:15:38 PM
59 (or is it 80?): Psychopathic Nonsense
We are filling in 60-68 now. So yes, it was 59.
When we reach 68 it goes back to 80.
Quote from: @Kreator on December 19, 2015, 07:37:28 PM
Quote from: Luigi master on December 19, 2015, 01:21:39 PM
And be Kreator and make shitty 69 jokes
it would be really great if you would just shut up please
thank you
We will not shut up and no nigger-joking unfunny member is gonna command us
60: Copying other people and never giving a shit about it
61:spikes on spikes
62:requiring glitches to beat the level
Edit:
63:Everything in this level.
64. Advertising your level in the DWARE HELP SECTION
65. Advertising other levels by you in your level
Quote from: Vultarix on December 30, 2015, 10:59:21 PM
65. Advertising other levels by you in your level
fuck
66. Stealing other peoples levels
67. Swearing in your fucking level. I hate that fucking shit.
Also, I accidentally put a second 44 xD
68(?): Putting way too many enemies down. (This causes lag :violet:)
we finally filled those up
80: Game crashes
81: No putting too many spikes and enemies and scripts in one room to the point of impossibility
82. Making Blank levels
83: Having 2 OC's with the same exact color and it is ambigous which one it is.
84: Using the wrong music Example A polar dimension that plays Pushing Onwards.
85:No music.
86:create entity 21 spam.
87:Making an innescapable room with a checkpoint at where you enter it from.
Quote from: 5tr4 on January 06, 2016, 08:20:04 PM
86:Having innaproppriate script names.
Take that out please. In-approppriate script names are ok. The player will never see them.
88: trinkets on spikes.
89. Trinkets that are literally impossible to get. Players will then only ever have one * next to the level.
90:Permanetly missable trinkets.
91: using the wrong color text box example vermillion with a blue text box
gotoroom spam is awesome, lol. It creates animated rooms.
92: making a forum about levels in the style of lol...ipops
Quote from: 5tr4 on January 16, 2016, 01:07:24 PM
6969: having 69 jokes in your level
so @Kreator cant make levels anymore?
Quote from: 5tr4 on January 24, 2016, 03:48:37 PM
6970 making a forum about levels in the style of lol...ipops
DON'T MAKE 69 JOKES AND CONTINUE FROM THERE.
Fixed it with an edit.
93: using the wrong flag (turning flag 5 on to destroy warps and check flag 6 to tell if you can destroy
Warps)
94: putting the color before the number for the say command
95. Putting a big, uniform area with one script hidden so it teleports you when you touch a certain spot that you can't see.
96(69 backwards):making an infinite loop with scripts (script 1 has iftrinkets(0,script2) script2 has iftrinkets(0,script 1) )
97. Repeating rooms with map turned off.
98. Silent gotoroom with map turned on.
Quote from: EpicCreeper9001 on January 24, 2016, 04:32:09 PM
98. Silent gotoroom with map turned on.
#Dimensionopen. Impossible geometry.
Quote from: 5tr4 on January 24, 2016, 04:35:02 PM
Quote from: EpicCreeper9001 on January 24, 2016, 04:32:09 PM
98. Silent gotoroom with map turned on.
#Dimensionopen. Impossible geometry.
Pretty sure Dimension Open did that because they couldn't turn the map back on after turning it off for whatever reason.
99. Broken gotoroom (using gotoroom(1,1) actually sends you to coordinates 2,2)
100. Terminals that do nothing
Yay for 100 I guess
101. Being mean to lol...ipops, seriously guys he's improving
102. Constant room changes that cause epilepsy
Quote from: Vultarix on January 29, 2016, 12:31:55 AM
99. Broken gotoroom (using gotoroom(1,1) actually sends you to coordinates 2,2)
gotoroom is not broken
that's what coords are in computer logic
Quote from: Luigi master on January 29, 2016, 11:59:32 AM
Quote from: Vultarix on January 29, 2016, 12:31:55 AM
99. Broken gotoroom (using gotoroom(1,1) actually sends you to coordinates 2,2)
gotoroom is not broken
that's what coords are in computer logic
What I meant was trying to use gotoroom(1,1) to actually send you to 2,2. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
103. An ending that sends you back to the menu with a certain internal script. This prevents players from ever having stars next to the level in the menu.
Quote from: Weird Shadow Machine on January 31, 2016, 08:07:24 PM
103. An ending that sends you back to the menu with a certain internal script. This prevents players from ever having stars next to the level in the menu.
Uh
gamestate(81) gives stars...
...right?
Quote from: Weird Shadow Machine on January 31, 2016, 08:07:24 PM
103. An ending that sends you back to the menu with a certain internal script. This prevents players from ever having stars next to the level in the menu.
*slides away sheepishly*
Quote from: crazya02 on February 01, 2016, 04:41:47 AM
Quote from: Weird Shadow Machine on January 31, 2016, 08:07:24 PM
103. An ending that sends you back to the menu with a certain internal script. This prevents players from ever having stars next to the level in the menu.
*slides away sheepishly*
FIX OVERDOSE AHHHHHH
just teleport to a place with a crewmate and use gotoposition
Quote from: Luigi master on February 01, 2016, 12:05:23 PM
FIX OVERDOSE AHHHHHH
just teleport to a place with a crewmate and use gotoposition
I used a gamestate because I thought rescuing a crewmate would kill the mood.
If anyone asks me about it again I'll just say that the fact that the level is impossible to complete is actually some sort of deep symbolism.
Yeah well maybe it'll work if you rescue yourself.
I mean except that it probably won't, but whatever.
Quote from: Weird Shadow Machine on January 31, 2016, 08:07:24 PM
103. An ending that sends you back to the menu with a certain internal script. This prevents players from ever having stars next to the level in the menu.
*looks at Vultarix*
104. (Favorite number): Glitching is required to progress in the level.
105. Major shortcuts.
I did the gamestate 81 thing because it fades in to my level I'm making
Quote from: Q•be on February 07, 2016, 06:12:23 PM
PS that doesn't actually fit to the discussion: Also, I need crazyal's help for a custom song... Sorry, haven't got Notepad++ or something similar.
Notepad++ is free, and so is most hex editing software.
Or you could send me the song and I can do it.
Quote from: Q•be on February 07, 2016, 06:12:23 PM106. Setting an only song for a long time lapse, or even for the entire dimension if it has more than a zone (seen it)
109: Conversely,
don't change the music too often. It's kind of annoying and makes your level seem unprofessional. Try to keep every maybe 7 to 10 screens the same song.
110: Relatedly,
don't change the level theme too often either, for the same reasons as above. This
can work if you do it right, but it's still good to avoid.
No problem.
Quote from: Q•be on February 27, 2016, 10:09:28 AM
[Note: I use Paint for tile editing]
Well there's your problem. You need to use something with transparency, like Paint.NET.
Quote from: Q•be on February 27, 2016, 10:09:28 AM
I don't know if anyone already said this, but 111. Direct mode abusing (by incapable people). It explains by itself. If you're not a ToasterApocalypse or a Crazya02, you CAN'T put random direct mode tiles.
Also, a thing: I tried once to create a personal tiles2.png. Can someone tell me the reason for why when I put tiles in the game the unused pixels are white and not transparent? [Note: I use Paint for tile editing]
or a luigi
dont forget the luigi
Quote from: Q•be on February 27, 2016, 10:09:28 AM
I don't know if anyone already said this, but 111. Direct mode abusing (by incapable people). It explains by itself. If you're not a ToasterApocalypse or a Crazya02, you CAN'T put random direct mode tiles.
Also, a thing: I tried once to create a personal tiles2.png. Can someone tell me the reason for why when I put tiles in the game the unused pixels are white and not transparent? [Note: I use Paint for tile editing]
paint doesnt support see through tiles.
GET SOMETHING LIKE PAINT.NET
ITS AWESOME
112. Making your level so complex that you can only beat it if you can beat it.
Tautologies aside, I hate when there are 40 exits to a room and only one works. Maybe a hint? Blind guessing can basically double your death count through no lack of skill on your part.
113. USING ALL CAPS IN DIALOG BOXES OH MY GOD I'M RIGHT HERE YOU DON'T NEED TO YELL!!!!!
BUT THE CHARACTERS ARE SO ANGRY
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
(That was a joke post)
Quote from: Luigi master on February 27, 2016, 02:19:20 PMpaint doesnt support see through tiles.
GET SOMETHING LIKE PAINT.NET
ITS AWESOME
Get something less proprietary.
Quote from: ShinyKitten07 on February 28, 2016, 01:45:49 AM(That was a joke post)
Joke posting is still shit posting.
114. Abusing the fact that Viridian stops when a dialogue text box appears. Very annoying. Crazy Al #02 and Lollipop are both bad at not doing this.
115. Making rooms by moving your mouse around in the general direction as to make the passages of the level go where you want. This doesn't look good.
Quote from: Info Teddy on February 28, 2016, 04:18:20 AM
114. Abusing the fact that Viridian stops when a dialogue text box appears. Very annoying. Crazy Al #02 and Lollipop are both bad at not doing this.
Nope. It's pretty good level design.
Quote from: Q•be on February 28, 2016, 08:51:19 PMI agree. Also, since you are one of the finest VVVVVV players, I'd like to see a level of yours. Maybe in your style, with single-tile walls and floating checkpoints.
Since you're so arrogant towards people who criticize levels, here's Patrol v0.5 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/xqsm21wewlr0otb/Patrol%20v0.5?dl=1).
116. Abusing the invisible tiles by using them a lot.
117. Abusing the black background tiles by using them a lot.
nice .5 file
Quote from: ShinyKitten07 on February 29, 2016, 01:11:17 AMnice .5 file
It's a fucking XML file, dumbass.
118. Having a script call upon another script which calls upon the original script, causing the game to crash.
119. Focusing too much on placing checkpoints, thus making the level fall in terms of quality in other areas.
Quote from: Info Teddy on February 29, 2016, 02:26:08 AM
119. Focusing too much on placing checkpoints, thus making the level fall in terms of quality in other areas.
When has this ever happened?
Quote from: crazya02 on February 29, 2016, 06:05:46 AMWhen has this ever happened?
When people care too much about checkpoints and complain too much about little checkpoints. Even then, there can't be a compromise of just designing the whole level and then adding checkpoints afterwards, because the level design will obstruct places where people want checkpoints.
Quote from: Info Teddy on February 29, 2016, 02:26:08 AM
Quote from: ShinyKitten07 on February 29, 2016, 01:11:17 AMnice .5 file
It's a fucking XML file, dumbass.
118. Having a script call upon another script which calls upon the original script, causing the game to crash.
119. Focusing too much on placing checkpoints, thus making the level fall in terms of quality in other areas.
118 doesnt crash the game.
119 okay let's do a no death mode
120 Checkpoint starvation. Imagine The Warning at the top of the screen and a fucking Gravitron at the bottom. (I'm looking at you VVVVVV2.0 - although admittedly that was more for comedic effect)
121 Severe lack of ifflag//iftrinkets usage in script boxes so whenever you go back to that area for whatever reason you have to go through the same eight minute long dialog every. fucking. time.
122 Shittons of delay(twodigitnumber) in their dialog so even if you've been through it so many times you know it off by heart, you still have twenty seconds mandatory waiting time.*
123 Any combination of 119 - 122.
124 ALL OF THE ABOVE. I mean seriously. Maybe you're the best comedian that's ever been on this planet. Imagine listening to your same routine eighty times in a row. Torture.
*I'm guilty of 122 but at least I make sure it only happens once.
Quote from: Q•be on February 29, 2016, 10:27:16 AMRemember ya you were the first at criticizing checkpoints quantity.
Was I criticizing about the lack of checkpoint quantity, or too much of checkpoint quantity? I would like to see which post I complained about them.
Quote from: Luigi master on February 29, 2016, 12:03:15 PM118 doesnt crash the game.
You're right—it doesn't crash, it freezes. Technical differences aside, I guess I need to give an explanation. Have a script box or a terminal calling script
! because people will complain if you name a script with punctuation in it.
! should have
iftrinkets,0,@ with enough blank lines concatenated afterward, such that VVVVVV doesn't erase the
iftrinkets line. Two or more should usually be enough.
@ should have
iftrinkets,0,! with the same requirements as script
!. Play the level, then walk into the script box or activate the terminal. The game will then proceed to freeze.
Quote from: Asmodean_ on February 29, 2016, 06:58:14 PM122 Shittons of delay(twodigitnumber) in their dialog so even if you've been through it so many times you know it off by heart, you still have twenty seconds mandatory waiting time.*
*I'm guilty of 122 but at least I make sure it only happens once.
The input of
delay is in frames, and in VVVVVV, a frame is 1/30 of a second. Thus,
delay,30 is one second. On a side note, originally I thought there were thirty ticks per second, but then I realized that you can still start moving and stop moving in less than 1/30 of a second.
Quote from: Info Teddy on March 01, 2016, 12:12:48 AM
Quote from: Asmodean_ on February 29, 2016, 06:58:14 PM122 Shittons of delay(twodigitnumber) in their dialog so even if you've been through it so many times you know it off by heart, you still have twenty seconds mandatory waiting time.*
*I'm guilty of 122 but at least I make sure it only happens once.
The input of delay is in frames, and in VVVVVV, a frame is 1/30 of a second. Thus, delay,30 is one second. On a side note, originally I thought there were thirty ticks per second, but then I realized that you can still start moving and stop moving in less than 1/30 of a second.
I used to think it was 0.1s, like in Minecraft, since my computer was so crap (yes, even with VVVVVV) that it actually took that long. But it won't be a problem if there's something like
ifflag(10,stop)
iftrinkets(0,dialogscript)because it'll only happen once.
Quote from: Asmodean_ on March 01, 2016, 06:17:41 PMI used to think it was 0.1s, like in Minecraft, since my computer was so crap (yes, even with VVVVVV) that it actually took that long. But it won't be a problem if there's something like
ifflag(10,stop)
iftrinkets(0,dialogscript)
because it'll only happen once.
A tick in Minecraft is not .1 seconds, but rather, .2 seconds, or one-twentieth of a second, leading to twenty ticks per second. You can even put the
ifflag and
iftrinkets in the same script if you get rid of cutscene bars.
Quote from: Info Teddy on March 01, 2016, 11:43:19 PM
Quote from: Asmodean_ on March 01, 2016, 06:17:41 PMI used to think it was 0.1s, like in Minecraft, since my computer was so crap (yes, even with VVVVVV) that it actually took that long. But it won't be a problem if there's something like
ifflag(10,stop)
iftrinkets(0,dialogscript)
because it'll only happen once.
A tick in Minecraft is not .1 seconds, but rather, .2 seconds, or one-twentieth of a second
Firstly, 0.2 = 1/5, not 1/20. 0.05 = 1/20.
Secondly, there are different types of ticks. There's the display update tick (which is literally just the frame rate), the block update tick (which is 1/20s) and the redstone tick (1/10s) which is the only one people usually talk about when referencing ticks since it's the only one that's really visible ingame.
Sorry bout that, probably should have specified.
Also I'm too much of a noob with internal scripting to put everything in one script and it doesn't really matter anyway. It's not like people are going to think "well this is a good level
but has he optimized his scripts?"
Quote from: Info Teddy on February 29, 2016, 02:26:08 AM
Quote from: ShinyKitten07 on February 29, 2016, 01:11:17 AMnice .5 file
It's a fucking XML file, dumbass.
118. Having a script call upon another script which calls upon the original script, causing the game to crash.
119. Focusing too much on placing checkpoints, thus making the level fall in terms of quality in other areas.
(https://distractionware.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F6OWIl75ibpuFO%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=a8ccb7327f03c03edb03ce0b625e324a8fc8cb3c)
Banned.
125. finalmode() (Dying here will lock the camera onto the room, and you can't go to other rooms from it)
126. A warp hub, but there's not any text telling where the warps go/the text is too vague.
For re-registering after his permaban and stirring up arguments on the forum.
Quote from: Terry on March 02, 2016, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Info Teddy on February 29, 2016, 02:26:08 AM
Quote from: ShinyKitten07 on February 29, 2016, 01:11:17 AMnice .5 file
It's a fucking XML file, dumbass.
118. Having a script call upon another script which calls upon the original script, causing the game to crash.
119. Focusing too much on placing checkpoints, thus making the level fall in terms of quality in other areas.
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Banned.
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top fucking kek
best post ever
118 from Info teddy Having a script call upon another script which calls upon the original script, causing the game to crash.
Quote from: 5tr4 on January 24, 2016, 04:23:58 PM
96(69 backwards):making an infinite loop with scripts (script 1 has iftrinkets(0,script2) script2 has iftrinkets(0,script 1) )
Why......I already did that.... (P.S. I promise to be better on this forum. I learned my lesson.)
127 place moving platform on top of disappear platform make the disappear platform are non-solid
Remove the double post
128. Bumping a 2 month old thread.
I can't deal with this anymore
Quote from: 5tr4 on May 31, 2016, 11:07:21 AM
128. Bumping a 2 month old thread.
ALRIGHT, TIME TO ESTABLISH SOME STUFF.
5TR4 AND STEVEGAMER68, LISTEN UP.
To SteveGamer:
Do NOT bump threads. It doesn't make a good reputation for you and eventually will get you banned. If yiu get banned more than 3 or 4 times, you will be permanently banned and won't be able to post here ever again. And nobody likes that!
To 5tr4:
Stop telling people to stop bumping. It is helpful to point out it's bad but the dude can see the words 'stop bumping' once and get it. If he continues, he will get banned.
Also, you tried to tell him to spam the letter A. That has brought you to Strike 2.99. You are on thin ice dude. One more offense and you're permabanned.
Sorry if I'm being rouh, it is just that you two have been driving this community crazy. Please stop doing the things I just highlighted.
Quote from: 5tr4 on May 31, 2016, 11:07:21 AM
128. Bumping a 2 month old thread.
::)
says the kid that spams "aaaaaaa" for a living.
Seriously 5tr4, at this point i've lost all respect for you. You're clearly a kid that doesn't know any better. Look at lol...ipops; he stopped spamming and being annoying. lol...ipops is more mature than you.
Stop commanding people. You've been banned before, and you haven't learned. Have you ever heard the saying "practice what you preach"?
ACTUALLY TRY TO BE A NORMAL FORUM USER LIKE EVERYONE ELSE INSTEAD OF BEING A THORN IN EVERYBODY'S FUCKING ASS.
I'm pretty sure i speak for everyone here. We're fed up with your bullshit 5tr4. Shiny can't deal with you anymore. Luigi is going insane with you. Vultarix brought you to strike 2.99.
Listen to me and the rest of Distractionware and tOLP. You need to stop your bullshit, kid.
Also @vultarix., isn't bumping alright if you add something to the topic? Banning someone for bumping and being relevant to the topic seems a bit unfair. Don't doublepost though, that one's a bit annoying as well.
Quote from: That Souleye Crewmate on May 31, 2016, 05:23:46 PM
Also @vultarix., isn't bumping alright if you add something to the topic? Banning someone for bumping and being relevant to the topic seems a bit unfair.
Agreed, I can't stress enough how in the following example situation:
| Reply #5 by OldUser on 01-01-2013 |
That's right! I can't wait to see the next version of this.
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| Reply #6 by SomeUser on 05-06-2016 |
can anyone explain to me how this works? i tried it but i couldn't get it to work
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| Reply #7 by OtherUser on 05-06-2016 |
Don't bump old topics, this is from 2013.
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SomeUser's post is actually relevant and OtherUser's post is not. Usually a couple of posts about the bumping will follow after that (
which is EXACTLY what we're doing right now) and that is extremely less useful than just continuing the topic of the thread.
However,
| Reply #5 by OldUser on 01-01-2013 |
That's right! I can't wait to see the next version of this.
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| Reply #6 by SomeUser on 05-06-2016 |
i had chicken for dinner
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If you see this, just report it.
This also means that there's no such thing as a 32-day gap being a bump and a 29-day gap being not. A useful and relevant post after months or years is better than keyboard mashing after two hours.
Quote from: That Souleye Crewmate on May 31, 2016, 05:23:46 PM
Shiny can't deal with you anymore.
You know what I actually can't deal with? Everybody picking on 5tr4. I get it, everybody is annoyed and their mental states are declining. When lol...ipops was JUST as spammy, people just got a LITTLE irritated. lol...ipops did improve, and 5tr4 will too. In fact, 5tr4 already has! He's actually helping out, not spamming, giving useful advice, posting things that are relevant to the topic, and a plethora of other things that he did not do before. All young users do this. Just look at some of everyone's old posts. They may not have been as bad, but we've all posting this sort of shit. None of us are perfect, okay? When I was new, I posted some strange spam and crazya02 made a joke about how "I was drunk." It's hilarious now that I think back to it, but at the time it really made me think. Social pressure works, and getting extremely angry while having thin patience for everything does not! Think back to what you did when you were new. Read through your old posts! You may cringe (a lot), sure, but you will learn that you may have been just as bad (but maybe only occasionally). Being socially adept and understanding social norms takes time.
E: fixed grammar errors
Quote from: EpicCreeper9001 on March 05, 2016, 06:46:40 PM
125. finalmode() (Dying here will lock the camera onto the room, and you can't go to other rooms from it.
using finalmode() already lock the screen
Quote from: ShinyKitten07 on May 31, 2016, 11:07:29 PM
Quote from: That Souleye Crewmate on May 31, 2016, 05:23:46 PM
Shiny can't deal with you anymore.
You know what I actually can't deal with? Everybody picking on 5tr4. I get it, everybody is annoyed and their mental states are declining. When lol...ipops was JUST as spammy, people just got a LITTLE irritated. lol...ipops did improve, and 5tr4 will too. In fact, 5tr4 already has! He's actually helping out, not spamming, giving useful advice, posting things that are relevant to the topic, and a plethora of other things that he did not do before. All young users do this. Just look at some of everyone's old posts. They may not have been as bad, but we've all posting this sort of shit. None of us are perfect, okay? When I was new, I posted some strange spam and crazya02 made a joke about how "I was drunk." It's hilarious now that I think back to it, but at the time it really made me think. Social pressure works, and getting extremely angry while having thin patience for everything does not! Think back to what you did when you were new. Read through your old posts! You may cringe (a lot), sure, but you will learn that you may have been just as bad (but maybe only occasionally). Being socially adept and understanding social norms takes time.
E: fixed grammar errors
Except most of us didn't just spam aaaaaaa and knowyourmeme links in threads. At worst we'd post memes and uncomfortably cringy content, but 5tr4 is going down the way of "no one other than me can spam or bump"
when someone acts critically out of line you have to call them out on their bullshit. A single ban didn't help 5tr4 much, so we gotta keep a strict eye on him and tell him whats wrong and what's good. It's not picking on 5tr4, we're trying to improve him so he stops spamming and commanding people/complaining. He's already told Dav several times to do what he wants.
The only thing i hate is when Luigi Master or Vultarix tell him to "not tell us what to do" i mean jeez, it's kinda disrespectful when you tell a moderator/admin what to do, but straight up making a suggestion isn't a bad thing, Luigi.
Hey, guess what? It's very obvious that he doesn't do that anymore. If you feel uncomfortable, don't be by actually reading some of the new content he makes.
128: Trinket/crewmate spam.
129. Bugs that are obvious.
130. Too much references.
413. Like this one.
130.5:Grammar mistakes.
Great, now we need to fill in 131 to 412.
5tr4 please edit your post to say 131 instead of 414
131. Impossible rooms with createentity enemies
132:using the same flag for 2 different things.
133:putting the color before the number in say commands. It crashes the game. I learned this the hard way... and I forgot to save before doing it.....
I think we've really hit most of them at this point, because I'm seeing a lot of repeats.
Quote from: 5tr4 on June 03, 2016, 12:54:23 PM
132:using the same flag for 2 different things.
I imagine that you could reuse flags as long as it's impossible to go back to the area where the flag is first used. Of course, it's still sloppy architecture and you should only really do this if you are literally running out of flags.
Quote from: QwertymanO07 on June 03, 2016, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: 5tr4 on June 03, 2016, 12:54:23 PM
132:using the same flag for 2 different things.
I imagine that you could reuse flags as long as it's impossible to go back to the area where the flag is first used. Of course, it's still sloppy architecture and you should only really do this if you are literally running out of flags.
What we've done for tOLP1 and tOLP2 is to define flags 90-99 as temporary flags, which can be used for anything as long as you turn them back off again. If you do it even better then this can make flag use very efficient; use flags 90-99 for each cutscene in an area, and when you complete that area, mark all the cutscenes as completed at once with one master flag for that entire area.
But if you don't know which flag you're using (https://tolp2.nl/forum/index.php?topic=19.0) then yes, there is a problem.
134: not clearly distinguishing which path will lead me to a trinket, and which will carry on with the level. especially if the path that continues the level is one-way
135: wraparound backgrounds that, in rooms where you would expect to be able to wrap around, do nothing and are just there for the sake of having your warp zone/polar dimension look proper
Quote from: ToasterApocalypse on August 27, 2015, 07:21:21 PM
25. the gravitron
the gravitron is not bad to put in player levels
The problem is that there's not really much you can do with the Gravitron; it's kind of a dead end, creatively. Basically, if you've seen one, you've seen them all. Keep in mind, however, that this list is not and will never be fully concrete. Basically, if you have a wonderful idea for the Gravitron that no one's done before, just make it; don't hold back because it was on this list.
136. Gotoroom spam... that takes up the entire level
131224. INTERNAL SCRIPTS WHICH CRASH THE GAME/SEND YOU TO MENU/DESTROY YOUR SAVE! :violet:
It's better to end levels with gotoroom() onto a rescuable crewmate in a fully black room, though. Also, you could use such a script as a hazard, which would be awful in every way.
137. Viridian's gender - It's kept ambiguous for a reason, so try to uphold that. Now admittedly, this is relatively minor, but it's still good practice.
Quote from: CreepiX on July 24, 2016, 11:26:36 AM
131224. INTERNAL SCRIPTS WHICH CRASH THE GAME/SEND YOU TO MENU/DESTROY YOUR SAVE! :violet:
*FUCKING DIES*
I'M GUESSING YOU DIDN'T BACKUP BEFORE FINISHING END OF THE MULTIVERSE? HOPY SHIT THIS LOOKS SO SALTY
Quote from: Tainy on July 24, 2016, 01:48:27 PM
Quote from: CreepiX on July 24, 2016, 11:26:36 AM
131224. INTERNAL SCRIPTS WHICH CRASH THE GAME/SEND YOU TO MENU/DESTROY YOUR SAVE! :violet:
*FUCKING DIES*
I'M GUESSING YOU DIDN'T BACKUP BEFORE FINISHING END OF THE MULTIVERSE? HOPY SHIT THIS LOOKS SO SALTY
I haven't played End of the Multiverse. And I don't want to.
I don't even play the main game so I didn't care.
131225 138: Levels that were made by modifying data.zip. It's quite likely that nobody has/will do this, and do realize that I mean doing things like swapping tilesets. This can lead to tiles with incorrect properties and the level will as a whole be more ugly. But, yet again, it is likely that no one has/will do this. We have just got to the point where it is really hard not to repeat anything.
Quote from: LafondaSaysMeow on July 24, 2016, 02:49:47 PM
But, yet again, it is likely that no one has/will do this. We have just got to the point where it is really hard not to repeat anything.
Do not speak unless it improves the silence.
Has anyone made a level based on this thread? I think I'll start if no one has. Plus, I was about to say I can use most of these for my "No Limits" side game, but I think that'll be too annoying and cruel.
there are loads of intentionally bad levels out there
like "aeventiurs of shp" (or whatever it's called)
Quote from: SomeRandomCreator on July 24, 2016, 06:14:10 PM
Has anyone made a level based on this thread? I think I'll start if no one has. Plus, I was about to say I can use most of these for my "No Limits" side game, but I think that'll be too annoying and cruel.
yes I have
but I'm still working on it and trying to add in refs to all the new rules
139. Warp-token mazes. I get more and more sick of these every time I encounter one. I find it really annoying keeping track of which warp tokens I haven't tried yet.
Well, if that were something, then this should totally be one.
140. Warp line "mazes". I'm talking about those huge rooms with like 50 exits and only one doesn't have a warp line on it. These things are really annoying because you have to check every single one of them to make sure you didn't miss any trinkets there. It's even more annoying when there are more than one in a row.
Quote from: Weird Shadow Machine on August 06, 2016, 04:38:33 PM
139. Warp-token mazes. I get more and more sick of these every time I encounter one. I find it really annoying keeping track of which warp tokens I haven't tried yet.
Well, good thing I put that Skip Along Warp then.
141: The same tile set for the whole level
142: The same colour for the whole level
143:Both the same tile set and colur for the whole level
144:Room names like this: !$%%(%$%%#%@#$%^$$
145:No Direct-Mode
146: Too Much Direct Mode. If you do it JUST right, you can have some really pretty rooms with too much direct mode, but most of the time the rooms become quite a mess when you overuse it.
147: Pixel Perfect Flips. These can be annoying because of the amount of times you keep dying in the exact spot. Nothing else to say.
148 / Single-tile floor and walls It's often covered with the roomname, and if all the walls of a room are just a single-tile border is pretty disturbing (imo)
149 / Roomtext Well, I'm no more angry with that Space Station thing with Shiny, but I still hate roomtext. (Except for som1sezhi's 100 Challenges and his comments, nicely put on the top of the screen where you don't actually have to see.)
150 / VVV tunnel length Okay, now someone will surely kill me with a nuclear bomb, but I like veni-vidi-vici tunnels. When they're short. I mean, 3 rooms are enough (Notch's VVVV 4K), maybe 4. It's pretty annoying and difficult to pass across 10 damn rooms of spiky tunnels. Actually, I'll put a 150.b point, that's more general: Trinket challenges length. Including my inVerse Reckless Challenge.
yey :viridian: 150!
151 - scrible rooms (rooms with random junk everywhere)
152 - too much use of veni vidi vici in level
153 - confusing "mazes" with multiple rooms
Quote from: Duckman50001 on August 09, 2016, 10:34:01 AM
yey :viridian: 150!
151 - scrible rooms (rooms with random junk everywhere)
152 - too much use of veni vidi vici in level
153 - confusing "mazes" with multiple rooms
all been used before (probably)
Quote from: LafondaSaysMeow on August 09, 2016, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Duckman50001 on August 09, 2016, 10:34:01 AM
yey :viridian: 150!
151 - scrible rooms (rooms with random junk everywhere)
152 - too much use of veni vidi vici in level
153 - confusing "mazes" with multiple rooms
all been used before (probably)
oh
154. Having to quit. Because of flags, not commands.
Having challenges that can be a pain to successfully do because of Viridian's inconsistent movement. Things like:
* spike tunnels with spikes spaced apart every 3 tiles
* enemy setups that rely on you moving perfectly underneath/similar with light taps on movement buttons
* things that in general rely on very perfect movement timing that requires you to stop moving in some parts of it
156. Forced death, like in Prize For The Reckless.
157. Game-Crashing Scripts: Whether intentional or not, you could at least warn us. :victoria:
158: Choice Making Jump: Three openings, two deathS, one life. It's not so bad if you see it once, but over and over can start to get annoying.
159: Using Death as a Helper: Used whenever you're in a room with disappearing platforms, and you must reset at certain points to reset all plaTforms.
160. Enemies crossing the screen edge, when using warp lines together with a warp background. This is actually supposed to be impossible, so it shouldn't really come as a surprise that it can trigger some strange glitches. Specifically, an enemy can appear to disappear off the screen, but if the player crosses (and thus triggers) a warp line while this is happening, the enemy teleports to where it "should" be, potentially causing IWBTG-esque frustration.
161:Permanently missable crewmates:NO , JUST Don't do this ever
162. Confusing design with multiple possible long-term paths!
The original game :-* was good. It was well designed, and it was fun. At any given moment you have a max of 2 possible paths, the second being a (usually) short trinket path.
163. Spikes immediately the far side of a gravity line. Without an empty space in between, the spikes can kill :viridian: through the gravity line.
164 don't make your level about drugs
165. don't let me make a level
Quote from: Weird Shadow Machine on January 31, 2016, 08:07:24 PM
103. An ending that sends you back to the menu with a certain internal script. This prevents players from ever having stars next to the level in the menu.
What if it's after a bad ending or a demo level or something lol
Also, there's a gamestate that lets you end the level with stars
gamestate(1013)
https://glaceon.ca/V/lists/#glist
166. Don't put a secret sequence that does something and not give a hint.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/suy165q47cl657y/ex%20no2.vvvvvv
Quote from: Yolotroll101 on April 22, 2018, 04:45:15 AM
Quote from: Weird Shadow Machine on January 31, 2016, 08:07:24 PM
103. An ending that sends you back to the menu with a certain internal script. This prevents players from ever having stars next to the level in the menu.
What if it's after a bad ending or a demo level or something lol
Yes, I could have worded that better - perhaps specifying that it's the
true ending that shouldn't do that. Also, we didn't know about gamestate 1013 back then.
I'd end bad endings with a fadeout and gamestate 81.
QuoteQuote from: alek on September 17, 2015, 01:49:55 PMQuote from: VVVVVVFan102314 on September 17, 2015, 08:18:04 AMQuote from: Weird Shadow Machine on August 28, 2015, 06:01:11 AMHowever, there is a little-known exploit, involving editing the level with a text editor, which produces a weird box-shaped checkpoint that spawns :viridian: in a direction determined by the previous normal checkpoint the player touched. Use with caution, as saving and re-loading at such a checkpoint crashes the game.
Seen in "Viridian Killed The Radio Star"
These originally appeared in Dimension SIMPLE, but I decided to remove them in a patch because of the reload crashing thing.
Quote from: Bruce Michez on December 06, 2015, 09:03:43 PMQuote from: Vultarix on December 06, 2015, 05:45:52 PM48. Box checkpoints.
I actually disagree with this one. I know where you're coming from: starting at one of these in the editor crashes the game, as does loading a saved game at one. But in practice, the chances of someone actually saving at one of these are quite low, especially if used in an area full of gravity lines and/or crumbling platforms.
box-shaped checkpoints cannot crash the game (http://distractionware.com/forum/index.php?topic=1938.msg35166#msg35166)
Quote from: SteveGamer68 on June 01, 2016, 03:35:40 AMQuote from: EpicCreeper9001 on March 05, 2016, 06:46:40 PM125. finalmode() (Dying here will lock the camera onto the room, and you can't go to other rooms from it.
using finalmode() already lock the screen
this depends on if you're using map (make and play) or not.
finalmode in map doesn't teleport you to outside dimension vvvvvv because that's been removed in map.
as well, using
finalmode in either version doesn't put you into a softlock - custom level saves can't store finalmode, so saveloading will return the level back to normal just fine. (rooms containing platforms or conveyors (which are a type of platform) outside dimension vvvvvv will crash the game, however)
167. A terminal that can only be activated in free-fall, especially if required to proceed. Turns out it's impossible, and the level I'm thinking of has a different solution.
Quote from: Bruce Michez on June 03, 2018, 08:59:22 PM167. A terminal that can only be activated in free-fall, requiring frame-perfect precision to proceed. That's assuming it's possible at all.
depends on what you mean by "free-fall"
your x and y speed have to be within a certain, small threshold to be able to activate terminals
in the case of my "annoying terminal" level, the 1 frame you can activate the terminal has viridian on the hyperspeed platform as well
168. Overly ambitious room designs that you KNOW would never work given the restrictions of VVVVVV.
Quote from: Info Teddy on June 03, 2018, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: Bruce Michez on June 03, 2018, 08:59:22 PM167. A terminal that can only be activated in free-fall, requiring frame-perfect precision to proceed. That's assuming it's possible at all. I'll update this post afterwards.
depends on what you mean by "free-fall"
your x and y speed have to be within a certain, small threshold to be able to activate terminals
in the case of my "annoying terminal" level, the 1 frame you can activate the terminal has viridian on the hyperspeed platform as well
Okay, just pulled it off successfully. Even so, it would indeed be annoying to come across that challenge in a normal level, so:
169. A terminal that can only be activated within a window of 1 frame, especially if it also requires extremely precise positioning.
170. Overly complicated room and you get nothing for clearing it. :'(
Also sorry for bumping
Quote from: SteveGamer68 on August 02, 2018, 12:55:46 PMAlso sorry for bumping
friendly reminder bumping isnt bad if its ontopic and adds something to the topic
if its not both of these things its B A D
171 : Using more checkpoints than actually needed.
It's generally subtle, but once in a while you'll notice an over-abundance of these objects in pointless places, it's pretty funny when you notice it (And I'm talking about checkpoints found during linear gameplay, because the overworld ones's function is a bit different). Most of the time after overcoming section n°1, you'll see checkpoint n°1 at the end of it (or in some breaker-type of room), and then checkpoint n°2 shows-up, right before section n°2 in a following room ! Be smart about their placements; The less oversights, the better level.
172 : Making us wait for absolutely, LITERALLY no reason.
Note that I am not complaining about dialogue cutscenes, those have a reason to exist compared to the ones I'll complain about...
I'm really, reeeeeeally sick of having to wait seconds worth of time for moving platforms to backtrack, ennemies to move out of the way... solely so I can proceed forward. I want to play the game, move Viridian around, press buttons on my keyboard, so please build rooms in such a way that I never stop doing that, that the game's fluidity never stops at any point. This is mandatory even to the tiniest gameplay portion you're ever going to build (Although it's more relevant to levels based on gameplay). And this improves future replayability so, so much.
For that, there are tricks such as making us leave and re-enter the incriminated room (Doing a "reset"), by putting a checkpoint in the previous one; using room warping to make moving platforms reach the player sooner, use warp-tokens or gotorooms scripts... whatever you choose, be effective.
Every single custom on the planet has it to some degree (The best ones are not excluded, though the lesser ones tend to have it systematically), so be very wary of this issue. Players will be grateful, me the first, even if they don't realise it.
173 : Bad overworld building.
The overworld does not only consist of fancy-looking areas, or memorable environments, it's also about good mobility. A bad example with this picture :
(https://i.imgur.com/bj4af6I.png)
Viridian comes from the right, and the way to go is on the left, however in order to reach it I need to flip twice. Well, the closest ceiling from me is exactly 3 rooms above. So you tell me that to simply get past that 1-block higher ground, I need to wait around 5 freaking seconds of nothingness ? Putting a ceiling close to the ground (Along with backing to look good) which functions as an extra path you can take would have been so much better, quicker, and less boring...
And you may laugh at that example, but I see stuff like that frequently, sometimes even worse.
To test if your overworld is convenient to wave through, assuming you roughly know its overall layout (Because this becomes a problem only when the player have already explored the zone once, and needs to go through it again. This matters the most in level types such as Dimension Open where you constantly need to go somewhere else through the overworld after clearing a section, but every levels needs it in at some degree): Go through it a bunch of times (Or ask help from playtesters) from point A to B of which you'll decide, and if there's anything you can think of, that would add to make travelling faster, then add it right away (If, of course, it doesn't ruin with any other aspects of the level). Take a few notes from VVVVVV main game's overworld.
Also, when you have a big overworld, especially full of empty rooms (The ones Viridian enters and leaves in less than a second), please fill them with something, at least some random lone backing tile ! It reinforces the fact that you are inbounds in the actual level, and that you have exploration and memorization of the layouts for future reference, waiting to be done. Doing otherwise would make it looks like you've somehow gone out-of-boundaries (or in outer space for that matter) which is way less pleasant and motivating. Who would want to explore an overworld that's completely empty and with unnatural-looking structures (Perfect 90° corners, horizontal/vertical bars) all over the place ?!
(Tell me if any of the stuff was already posted)
173. Excessive use of flash. Seriously, it could cause seizure! (not that I have epilepsy or anything but to warn using too many flashes)
Quote from: Balneor on August 06, 2018, 09:37:01 AM171 : Using more checkpoints than actually needed.
It's generally subtle, but once in a while you'll notice an over-abundance of these objects in pointless places, it's pretty funny when you notice it (And I'm talking about checkpoints found during linear gameplay, because the overworld ones's function is a bit different). Most of the time after overcoming section n°1, you'll see checkpoint n°1 at the end of it (or in some breaker-type of room), and then checkpoint n°2 shows-up, right before section n°2 in a following room ! Be smart about their placements; The less oversights, the better level.
why is this a problem? as long it doesn't look like 'the warning' i don't have a problem with it. it's better to use more than needed than to use less than needed.
Quote from: SteveGamer68 on August 06, 2018, 11:41:10 AM173. Excessive use of flash. Seriously, it could cause seizure! (not that I have epilepsy or anything but to warn using too many flashes)
this is why i always disable screen effects if it's not a level i'm working on or it's a level that i know having screen effects on won't be detrimental (abuse of flash is still bad)
Quote from: Info Teddy on August 06, 2018, 09:42:27 PMwhy is this a problem? as long it doesn't look like 'the warning' i don't have a problem with it. it's better to use more than needed than to use less than needed.
I agree that it really isn't as important as some of the other rules out there, but personally it would be harder to take some random level seriously if it had this issue and if I noticed it.
Quote from: Balneor on August 07, 2018, 08:10:54 AMI agree that it really isn't as important as some of the other rules out there, but personally it would be harder to take some random level seriously if it had this issue and if I noticed it.
having tons of checkpoints instills a feeling of safety and that you won't have to redo entire paths again (they dont even have to be challenges, they can just be long)
Quote from: Info Teddy on August 07, 2018, 01:55:46 PMhaving tons of checkpoints instills a feeling of safety and that you won't have to redo entire paths again (they dont even have to be challenges, they can just be long)
Ah; so in the end that rule end-up being mostly subjective because I personally don't get scared by a lack of checkpoints very often, enough for it to be something I'm not caring about. Fine, you can disregard it
I'm not sure if its already here, but a room in a level that you touch a checkpoint right when you enter, and there is no way out. (Pressing R wouldn't work)
psa: you can break pretty much any of these rules if you really want to/have a good reason for it
Quote from: alek on August 12, 2018, 06:45:50 AMpsa: you can break pretty much any of these rules if you really want to/have a good reason for it
seconded
can we pin this post or is smf too limited :^^^^^)
174. Have a room-like area that you cannot escape (there's no scripting inside that room or something) with a checkpoint inside the roomcage, causing a partial of a partial-softlock* (you can move around but cannot progress the map in any way except for exiting. But if you for some reason decided to save at that cage, then you're doomed and forced to restart the level.).
*: There is no official term for it yet.
175. An extremely difficult challenge (such as a Veni Vidi Vici) that doesn't even reward the player upon completing it.
Broken internal scripting that causes your game to crash
Random floating stuff that doesn't go right! (Ex. Floating spike)
178. A room that is impossible to pass with invincibility active. This usually happens because spikes become solid in this mode.
Quote from: Bruce Michez on December 12, 2018, 02:26:12 AM
178. A room that is impossible to pass with invincibility active. This usually happens because spikes become solid in this mode.
looks at 333333 sheepishly
Quote from: (This author name breaks the forum) on December 14, 2018, 02:38:14 PM
Quote from: Bruce Michez on December 12, 2018, 02:26:12 AM
178. A room that is impossible to pass with invincibility active. This usually happens because spikes become solid in this mode.
looks at 333333 sheepishly
There's also a lot of such rooms in Pixelator's recent
The Cuest. That level is so barbarically difficult that invincibility is almost
required to experience the (actually quite interesting) story.
179:
Createentity being used to create super fast enemies, which will probably kill you as soon as you activate the script, without warning, causing you to have to redo the section all over again from the last checkpoint.
180 - using the exact same gimmick over and over again, in many different rooms. seriously, this makes me die
20. EXTREME SWEARING
20. EXTREME SWEARING
20. EXTREME SWEARING
20. EXTREME SWEARING
heyoo i forgot to link this here so im doing it now
Putting these in your VVVVVV level is fine, actually (https://distractionware.com/forum/index.php?topic=3895.msg37180#msg37180)
its a post that responds to a lot of these and says that some are fine to do actually
181. making a dware post why some of these are actually right
182. broken gravity lines (2 gravity lines in the same spot) (can be used right in some cases)
183. swearing in a level (seriously, dont you think 3-year olds cant steal their moms phone and look at VVVVVV and dware?)
184. 10x10-20x20 levels where only 5 of them are actually levels
185. the entire level being an overworld
186. the entire level having only a few blocks (can be done right)
187. rooms with only spikes (can be done right as well)
188. loud music
189. invisible graphics
190. glitched graphics
191. custom minimap with an offset
192. minimap with text (can be done right)
193. trying to make it so viridian doesnt die when she touches enemies
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM181. making a dware post why some of these are actually right
Well that's technically off topic
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM182. broken gravity lines (2 gravity lines in the same spot) (can be used right in some cases)
You said it yourself that it can be used right.
It's not really broken, and it can be used for troll levels and I think even more.
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM183. swearing in a level (seriously, dont you think 3-year olds cant steal their moms phone and look at VVVVVV and dware?)
V6 is a old game enough that I don't think most kids will learn about. If you find out about V6, then you're more likely at least older than a teenager, with knowledge and of these swear words.
I don't think the V6 building scene is also full of swearing levels, so even if a child were to play them, they probably wouldn't be disturbed. Even then, I'm not sure it's our direct concern. Why is the child here to begin with if it's assumed they shouldn't consume that content.
And finally, swear words can be made for plenty of purposes, such as designing characters. For comedic effect or troll levels.
If you really hate swear words, then you should definitely not play Atmosfear.
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM184. 10x10-20x20 levels where only 5 of them are actually levels
I'm not sure what this means. What means "levels" ? Levels that fill every room with something ?
Level that actually play like levels ? But what's your definition of that ?
Anyways, there are billions of fully 10x10 and 20x20 levels out there.
And even then, it's handy to have bigger bounds, in the sense that it's easier to build levels with since you have more space to work with.
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM185. the entire level being an overworld
I'm sure there is some very cool stuff you could make with that. Even if you make a overworld devoid of any challenge.
Now if you mean a completely empty and bland overworld, a point can be made. But it all depends on the maker's design. If it's made intentional, then it's for a reason, so it's definitely justified to add in your level because of that reason. The same logic can be applied to every single points of this thread (that are on-topic).
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM186. the entire level having only a few blocks (can be done right)
So like three blocks in one room and that's it ? Seems like a troll level done right.
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM187. rooms with only spikes (can be done right as well)
Similar thing, it may not look be pretty but it can be used in troll content. Also if you have different textures, maybe it won't even look bad !
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM188. loud music
Mostly for troll content I think.
I've actually never seen a level have loud music.
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM189. invisible graphics
Can be used for troll, but also to design actual gameplay segments (if you do it properly !)
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM190. glitched graphics
Not sure what this means. Like, intentionally corrupted looking graphics ?
Since I used the word intentional, thne it means that there was a reason to have it that way in the level, it's justified.
There are a bunch of levels (mostly made by one dude I think) who uses direct mode and a lot of blocks to create corrupted looking rooms. And it's nice.
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM191. custom minimap with an offset
I have never seen a custom minimap have an offset personally. This would seem like a really hard minimap mistake to make. But even then, one could do so intentionally.
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM192. minimap with text (can be done right)
What are you talking about ? This would be so cool !
Quote from: theamazingwaffle on January 31, 2023, 07:04:32 PM193. trying to make it so viridian doesnt die when she touches enemies
Well, you don't die when you have invincible mode.
I will thoroughly disagree, because there is a way to have enemies switch between harmless and deadly states. And who knows what sort of gameplay you can have with these.
And if it's just inoffensive all of the time (which I've also never seen before), again, it would depend on what you do with them. Troll, story, even gameplay.
I think it would be cool.
Quote from: Balneor on January 31, 2023, 11:37:00 PMQuote190. glitched graphics
Not sure what this means. Like, intentionally corrupted looking graphics ?
Since I used the word intentional, thne it means that there was a reason to have it that way in the level, it's justified.
There are a bunch of levels (mostly made by one dude I think) who uses direct mode and a lot of blocks to create corrupted looking rooms. And it's nice.
where a blue corner is pink, or the spikes are quicksand texture
Quote from: Balneor on January 31, 2023, 11:37:00 PMQuote184. 10x10-20x20 levels where only 5 of them are actually levels
I'm not sure what this means. What means "levels" ? Levels that fill every room with something ?
Level that actually play like levels ? But what's your definition of that ?
Anyways, there are billions of fully 10x10 and 20x20 levels out there.
And even then, it's handy to have bigger bounds, in the sense that it's easier to build levels with since you have more space to work with.
like, 10x10-20x20 but only 5 rooms are filled in
I now understand the first one, but I would still say that it can be fine if used intentionally.
Quicksand are not just one texture, but many different ones in a split second. I have never seen a quicksand texture take completely unrelated textures every frame, it sounds cool and I'd argue that is a great thing for making a glitched looking level.
For your second one, I understand as well. When the level is 10x10 and you want to go to level editor, it can be very annoying to have to move room by room before finally reaching the part you want to play or see.
It's possible people forget about resizing the bounds of your level. But by experience, I'd say it's relatively rare that you can do this, as generally 10x10 or 20x20 levels tend to reach the edges of the map, so it wouldn't be possible to resize it without moving entire rooms around or worse.
Reading it seriously again, I realize the name of this very thread has a huge issue.
It says "What not to put in your VVVVVV Level". But it uses the word "put" which is an intentional action the level maker consciously makes.
If it is an intentional action, then there is no justification for telling these people otherwise. They will always be right for doing it because that's just part of the design they envision.
Unless, eventually, if it's about straight illegal content, offensive and taboo words, very controversial people and concepts. And maybe some rampage level stealing.
I believe the name of this thread could have been renamed to something like "common level making mistakes custom makers may unconsciously do", while still adding a disclaimer in the opening post, that any of these supposed mistakes can be fine if you intentionally use them.
Or else that, you may know their existence, but not care too much, because the state of the level is good enough in your eyes. Much like living in a room in disorder, the shape of the level is up to you to decide, even if it may look or play messy for others.
Now, if you still want people to play it, or don't mind dropping your level for others to play, a disclaimer could be handy to add, so players may know if this will be for them or not.
That thread could include stuff like building oversights (especially backing), releasing a unplaytested level, dialogue boxes that annoyingly retrigger, enemy/platform cycles at the start of a room that cause you to have to wait and do nothing for seconds before every attempts. And, your 10x10/20x20 thing.
Some of these things are definitely not important. But other may hinder the experience of the level if not taken into account.
Which, in the end, would be the point of the thread : bringing awareness to certain aspects of custom levels, so that a then-enlightened level maker would be able to make more decisions about the design of their level.
Maybe, a general thread about level making ideas and awareness would be the best. Because the alternative, just making a list of mistakes that are more often guilty of being subjective, is pretty pointless if not actually harmful to creativity.
I guess, in other words, game design.
'cept that everything's free, so there are no expectation of "quality" against anyone.
195. using VED to load VCE levels
196. trying to make the player motion sick
197. trying to make the player throw up from being motion sick
198. trying to give the player a permanent headache
199. zipping your zipped .zip with a zipped VVVVVV level in it (corrupting it on purpose)
200. doing the previous thing, except the zipped zipped zipped zipped VVVVVV level has custom graphics as well
201. doing all 200 of these in one level
202. say(1,orange)
203. say(1,brightblue)
204. say(1,brighterblue)
205. say(1,brown)
206. say(1,valso)
207. say(1,vita)
208. say(any number above 15)
209. reply(1,color)
210. flag(67,on)
211. try to fork off of VCE and make it better (trust me, i've tried)
212. doing 21x21 or higher in VED
213. corrupting your data.zip to see what happens
214. corrupting your saves folder to see what happens
215. corrupting any part of your computer that you havnt backed up
216. not following 213-215 :violet: :violet: :violet: